Hello just joined forum and just started Cd2 Lucid Echoes

[GadgetGal]

Hello,

Just joined the forum after starting Lucid Echoes a couple of days ago, not much time right now to put my full experiences, however personally I have found I prefer Lucid Echoes, since CD1 I found to be quite boring and often my mind would drift off thinking of the things I needed to do, the things that were currently stressing me and although it felt kind of relaxing and I looked forward to the ME time it gave me, I found it hard to just Listen and switch off my brain...

I have tried Gateway Experience from Monroe, and got to manage focus 10 very well, however sometimes I find the imagination required to carry out some of the work on the higher levels was too much for me after a busy day at work, Brain Ev on the other hand seems to work better as there is nothing you need to do except listen.....

When I first started Lucid Echoes I did so before watching the video explaining it as I have had a busy working week and only got around to watching it and registering here tonight, however I have noticed that around the time the minor wave starts to bring you out of it, I have already been checking on my itouch to see how much more there is to go.

On both Cd's I felt I was listening for much longer than 30 mins it seemed far far longer, and even the demo which I still use at work sometimes during my short breaks seems longer than 15 minutes....

Have used a variety of brainwave entrainmant products before including as mentioned stuff from Monroe Inst, various user adaptable apps for itouch, and had experience of 2 x light and sound devices which first got me interested in brainwave entrainment since most of my working life I have worked shifts...and needed these kind of things to help with energy boosting and relaxation.

have also used pzizz for many years..but got a bit bored with that too....

[rchoates]

Welcome to the forum GadgetGal.

My name is Robert, and I began listening to BrainEv and joined the forum on the 1st of January. So I'm just two weeks into level 1, and like yourself, I have a lot of experience with brainwave entrainment.

You mention being bored or waiting for the cd to end. Hmmm... If this is something you want to get past, try paying attention to your breathing. Breathe slowly and evenly, but without effort, and just be aware of how the breath moves in and out of your body. Just a little something to try.

Believe it or not, boredom is often a sing of repressed anxiety. I'm not saying that you have anxiety, of course, but sometimes we have this "go go go...let's get it done!" push in our mind that hides in the background, and is expressed as total exhaustion in the body, or an overall general disinterest.

Just thought I'd share....Robert.

[Pure Bliss]

Hi GadgetGirl,
I notice your concern (in two separate posts) regarding boredom.
I totally agree with Robert, you can try to get beyond boredom, by focusing on something else e.g. breathing.
However I would like to add some other thoughts (yes, my busy beta mind is a hive of mental activity!!!!) as they may help you understand and accept the phenomenon of boredom.

Note I am a user, not an expert. However I have been reading all I can lay my hands on regarding brainwave entrainment and I have a background in psychology - an interest in all things to do with the mind, brain and mental performance. So what I am sharing are my own thoughts and observations.

Boredom is an emotion we experience while we are awake (at least I have yet to experience it in dream-state), thus I conclude if you were hooked up to an EEG device boredom would generate beta waves (an awake state of mind). In my view, being bored is just a beta trick to remain in beta. Just another variation of mental chatter, antzy-ness, irritability, or the tendency to nod off.....

I am back at high school teaching right now (not my place of choice because so many of the kids do NOT want to learn). What I observe in those who have weak academic muscles (to use the BrainEv physical fitness analogy), is they use three escape routes to 'protect' themselves from learning. Some go fidgety (irritating the whole class with distraction and noise and chat), others put their heads on their arms and attempt to 'tune out', and the last group play the 'boredom game'. I am convinced that the fidgets is high beta and very hard to counteract. Drowsiness is habitual but at least doesn't disturb the class and many become quite adept at zoning out. Boredom is highly catching because the body language is so strong. Just observe a bored person's face, how they 'enact' a bored mind state.

All this is just to point out that it may help you to see Boredom as a beta mind state. Something you want to learn to escape from at will and intentionally (because it is so damn distracting, convincing - we believe ourselves 100%, "I am bored because this [BrainEv] is boring."). It is a tool used by escapists to escape something. If this is true, what are you trying to escape from? Observe this pre and post session. Ask yourself why 30 mins of soothing sound track bores you? What is the purpose of being bored? What are your earliest memories of being bored? And above all, learn to recognise your beta-boredom frequency. It may be specific to you, and is possible a trap to escape from. In my case it is (was actually as BrainEv has ousted it) Beta-Frazzle. Beta-frazzle is a revved-up, jizzy, restless, anxious, busy-busy-busy but totally unproductive mind-state I can (could) easily slip into. It is a zone of anxious circular thoughts. Of focusing on a problem, again and again, replays ad nauseum, BUT there is no attempt to solve the problem. BrainEv shifted me out of this and my insomnia and worry-wart persona diminished.

Just a thought, GadgetGirl, so you learn to recognise boredom if it is a distructive, habitual mindstate when/if it occurs. And perhaps you might find that being bored isn't boring after all, but a whole new mind-zone to recognise and steer away from. Once I left Beta-Frazzle behind, amazing universes and experiences opened up. There is a whole world of mind-states and boredom is not one I want to live in or experience much of.

Happy BrainEv travels GadgetGirl, and here is to enjoying the calm, soothing, uplifting experience that alpha frequencies can deliver, when you let go of Beta-Boredom. All the best, Pure Bliss

[GadgetGal]

Thanks for the replies both were very interesting and I will bear each one in mind, both have elements of truth in them for me also, since at the moment I am not looking forward to an operation I have to have in 2 weeks and before then I have to go to hospital this Tues for a pre-op test and since I am HSP as mentioned in one of my other posts, and also very have a phobia re being in hospital even as a visitor I never feel comfortable (mostly due to the HSP aspect) but am only having the op after being scared into it by the consultant.

So yes although I am not really someone who suffers from anxiety ie the kind without a cause I do suffer stress and anxiety when there is a cause...but also I find once I start to listen, sometimes I feel fidgety and other times if I am tired i can zone out as it were, and focus on what I am hearing which is why I find I am getting on with Lucid Echoes better as there is more to focus on.....so find it enjoyable....mostly but if I am tight for time and as I do shifts this happens a lot and I have to squeeze the session in sometimes into a tight time frame, then I think in these cases it is kind of like convincing myself it is a good use of my little time...yet still I have stuck to doing the sessions now for about 5 weeks all in I think...without missing any except the one day off a week....

A while back I tried something similar with just the sound of rain called INSIGHT...another brainwave entrainment and that was around the same time or 20 mins x 3 tracks....approx but I stopped that for one reason or another......as I tend to experiment a lot with different programs and have about 6 different brainwave apps on my itouch, however a lot of the time I just got overwhelmed with which one to use lol, so in some ways it is the simplicity of Brain EV that helps...

Sometimes I also drift in and out of sleep but this again depends on the time of day/shift that I listen to it on, and if I am sitting or lying down at the time....

I think if I am learning something that or doing something that is not a huge interest to me or not anymore or I am distracted easily by other things, then yes I can become bored with different things and quickly sometimes too....

However I will persevere and yes have tried focussing on my breathing to a degree and that does tend to bring my thoughts back into control also.....

Thanks again for your input