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Experimentation

« on: January 04, 2012, 09:40:11 PM »
Hello, name is Robert Choates, I currently reside in San Antonio, TX, and I began using the BrainEv system on the very first of this year. I've been meditating for more than twenty five years, and I've used a variety of entrainment cds since the age of 14 or so. My own personal experience has shown me that meditation, in and of itself, doesn't improve one's life. What I mean is, if you don't like your life, for whatever reason, meditation is not going to change the life circumstance you find disagreeable. You may be better able to cope, but the situation itself is not going to change. Life change occurs when you have sufficient clarity of mind to confront and then recondition psychological patterns held within your mindset. Meditation is a crucial tool to facilitate that process. For this reason, and since I'm fascinated by entrainment technologies, I've decided to give the BrainEv system a try. I have no real expectations. Just a personal experimentation to see what comes.     

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Re: Experimentation

« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 09:37:36 AM »
Hi Robert,
Welcome to the forum.
I found your comments interesting and I agree. Meditation and entrainment do not alter external situations (otherwise I would have sold our house), but both help us to stay mentally well and they keep me from believing my situational horror story too much (my mother has dementia and I am her primary carer). For me it is true to say that both meditation and entrainment alter our attitude and perception of the outer world, and this is such an exciting adventure.
I wish you an amazing journey and may the entrainment element deliver more than you hoped for. All the best, Pure Bliss

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Re: Experimentation

« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2012, 07:39:56 AM »
Thank you very much Pure Bliss. I absolutely believe that meditation is essential to overall mental health and emotional balance, and that entrainment can immeasurably aid the meditative process. After years and years of meditation, and experimentation with all kinds of meditation, I found myself gravitating naturally to a cross between the zen "method" of keeping the mind focused in a still center point, either by mantra or breath awareness, and not engaging arising thoughts, to actually examining the thoughts that did arise during a session, and following those thoughts to the emotional directives from which they came. I noticed a kind of rule: thought follows emotion. For every thought, there is an emotional center it is connected to, and once I was in that emotional center, I would often discover an entire structure of beliefs I held about myself, or life in general. From there (and getting "there" is not exactly an easy task in itself), I began to explore how I came to develop such beliefs, their origins rooted in memories I experienced as a child. In my meditative state, I was able to see those deeply ingrained beliefs, which are more like emotional convictions, as a construct in my mind I could easily remove or revise, once I understood what it meant to me on the most personal level. And when I began to actively pursue this kind of "observant to engagement" meditation, where I allowed thoughts to arise, followed a pattern of thought to its emotional source, and then examined the directive connected to that source, understood the "why" of it (which can take time), and then worked to change that internal view of my own self, that's when I began to notice significant change happen in my life. What I noticed, most poignantly, was that my day to day experience in life, the events and circumstances and relations I encountered or engaged, was a direct and precise reflection, in meaningful symbolic form, of my own inner state, of the belief structures held as emotional convictions of my own self-image. That was an eye opening experience for me. The Self is a conscious invention of vast territory to explore!! I've come to see it's all about the meaning, Pure Bliss, the personal meaning in relation to our own self image, that dictates the quality of life we experience. And once again, Thank You so much for sharing! Your input was really appreciated.   

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Re: Experimentation

« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2012, 08:06:57 AM »
Hello Robert, and welcome to the forum. I have enjoyed reading all the posts so far, but am very intrigued by your latest. I am fairly new to meditation. I have tried various relaxation exercises and guided meditations for the past 10 years, but did little more than play at them doing nothing serious. I have learned things from this forum to know why the meditation I had experimented with was doing nothing for me - well beyond the fact I did not engage in anything for a serious length of time. For me it was a matter of every meditative experience I'd tried seemed to turn into a nap. I know now that I was generally NOT actually falling asleep, but did not have the proper brain wave pattern to bring what was occuring in my subconscious and unconscious up into my conscious mind. Brain Ev is helping with that. While I relax during a session I usually also remember what thoughts came up during a session.
I like your idea of following the thoughts to their source rather than simply observing them and allowing them to pass. It seems like an idea I would like to attempt.
Thank you for your wonderful posts.
Blessings
Dreamer

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Re: Experimentation

« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 02:10:26 PM »
Thanks Dreamer. When I first began to meditate, I was concerned with the proper breathing, the right posture, the correct mantra, if I was achieving the appropriate brainwave state, so on and so on. Meditation was quickly becoming something I was trying to get "perfect". I'm a perfectionist by nature, lol. Anyway, after years and many books, I finally said screw it all, and began doing things my way. I have a very active mind, and although I learned with considerable effort to hold periods of a "no thought" state, I found that to be uncomfortable. Far be it from me to argue with the zen masters of centuries past, but it just happens to be my damn mind, so I allowed myself to find what was most comfortable for me. That being said, I came up against some interesting general beliefs that anyone who was born and raised in the west assumes to be their own. Like: the mind is a mystery that you have no or limited access to. Freud, one day in our history, said there was a subconscious, and all the darkness he elucidated that came with it, and society at large, and those who followed in his footsteps, simply believed it. Forget that you can't even "see" the mind, but somehow it has compartments because someone said so, and it seems to make such sense out of what is so frightening. Jung carried the notion even further, but I found myself personally questioning the existence of the subconscious, or at least what is was as to its function. Once I worked through some self-trust issues, I was able to expand my conscious self into more of this so called "dark space", and as my confidence built, I was able to recall and navigate in memories and even dreams I experienced at the age of two, which had significant impact on how I viewed the world, but until that moment, didn't even know! Once I decided for myself that my mind (and its subconscious!) belonged to me, and was mine to utilize as I saw fit, as opposed to believing how someone else said the mind worked, my ability to recall and work through difficult material came naturally. I don't concern myself with "proper" brainwave patterns anymore. Whatever state I happen to be in is good enough for me. I think it's important to observe your thoughts throughout the day, to get a feel for your habitual pattern of thoughts, and then to discover the emotional conditions they're connected to. "Know thy Self", is a huge statement, and an even greater exploration. It's taken me time and many years, but eventually I uncovered a comfort in my own skin and mind that came from the recognition that I am the sole authority on the nature of my existence. I think the most important thing, Dreamer, is to play around. Keep it light, keep it easy, and just have fun with the process. Thank you very much for your post!!

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Re: Experimentation

« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2012, 07:52:44 AM »
Hi Robert,
Like Dreamer, I wish to add my gratitude to you for sharing your considerable expertise as an accomplished meditator. I think you are going to be a wonderful addition to the forum, as both BrainEv and meditation have the same effect, that of calming, balancing and stabilising the brain. Different methodologies, but a whole and healthy brain is well worth investing in. Thus I am reading your posts frequently to absorb the meditation-perspective wisdom in them, and hope you will continue to contribute because you can add a new depth and dimension to our shared BrainEv experience.
How about a mini-lecture a day?!  ;D
I'm a bit busy right now as I start work out of house tomorrow, so know I am reading you and love what I see.
All the best and may your BrainEv experience be out of this world - I think you of all people are primed and fit to take on full alpha, theta and delta. Lucky you. I shall look on from the sidelines as you pass me out! Not jealous, just admiring. Cheers and thank you for the pure wisdom, Pure Bliss
P.S. Be sure to invest in Anna Wise's book as this will shorten and enhance your journey. You will get so much more out of BrainEv but understanding what is going on in your head.

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Re: Experimentation

« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2012, 11:43:09 AM »
Thank you so much for your kind words Pure Bliss. I must say, however, I could never pass you by, not even a little. In my view, no person, whatever their experience, has gained anything more than another. Experience is unique, and every individual as a consciousness self-aware, invents and engages a meaningful interaction unlike any other.
In my own search for meaning as a self-aware individual, I've studied the histories of many religions and spiritual practices, and what became obvious to me was a prevalent attitude of varying degrees that was present in the views I studied, from the god-centered religions to Buddhism: the overwhelming belief that the Self is flawed. Either you're born into sin or you're impure, but for whatever the reason, you as a Self have to "do something" to be rewarded grace, enlightenment, or even to be whole. After a while of digesting all this, I was like, "Really?? Who exactly decided that I, as an individual self, was a flawed and filthy creature, and why is it insisted that I must give the self that I am over, or submit to an authority outside the self that I am, to be saved?? Saved from what?!!"
I guess it's pretty clear that I'm not big on the opinions of this god or that god, the enlightened masters or the gurus, or the ones who interpret their teachings. I decided that as a Self-Aware Being, it was my inherent right to examine and explore and determine the meaning of life for the self that I was, in any given moment. Isn't that called living?!
Thank you for the lead on Anna Wise's book!! I will definitely check that out. Giving you my best Pure Bliss, love the day!!   

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2012, 07:38:05 AM »
Hello Robert,

I have been short of time the past several days so I just read your response to my question. Thank you so much for your clear explanation. I am going to print it out and keep it for a reference as I begin traditional meditation again.

On your second post, I have to say I agree with you. My belief is the self is perfect, neither flawed nor filthy. To my mind it is more a matter of 'finding' that perfect self, though study, meditation, whatever, than expecting some other power to 'fix' me.

I will now echo Pure Bliss' request that you might post a mini-lesson either daily or weekly. I know I would love to read more from you.

Dreamer

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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2012, 09:27:17 AM »
Thanks Dreamer. I'm kind of speechless from the warm response by you and Pure Bliss, because I've never shared my experiences before, nor belonged to any sort of forum. I have no friends that meditate, nor would be interested, lol. A few have expressed interest over the years, but they never stick with it, so I've never really had the opportunity to share what I have experienced. Thank you both for the encouragement, and I guess I'll just post what I'm feeling in the moment.

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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2012, 05:17:11 AM »
Robert,
It does look like you have found a home here on the forum. I find I look forward to reading your posts and am quite glad to see you do post somewhat regularly.

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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 05:48:00 AM »
Hello again Robert,
Again I want to say how I am enjoying all your posts and I find your contributions to be extremely helpful and valuable. Your 25 years of meditation bring whole new perspectives and insights to the entrainment process. This is great and thus you are a huge asset to the forum. Many of us bought BrainEv for reasons other than to meditate better/deeper/faster. In my case I wanted to work through Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, but it delivered so much more. I have never managed to get 'hooked' on meditation, primarily because I think I lacked guidance - this is one skill where I tried to go it alone, with little effect. After BrainEv, I really have my feelers out for meditation, and like the good karma I so desire, suddenly you appear on the forum with a wealth of successful meditation behind you.

Just an assumption here, but (speaking from an entrainment perspective  ;)), I believe I have spent the last 17 years or so stuck in high levels of beta (a mix of beta frazzle, circular thoughts, insomnia because I could not get into lower frequencies and I lay awake, busy beta-ing and stranded on those frequencies. BrainEv gave me a 30 minute mental reset of calming, soothing, feel-good alpha, and Bingo! the whole mental system started to function better. More sleep. More clarity. More focus. More hope that I can stay like this.

No wonder meditation delivered little. My mind sped up if anything. Chatter, chatter, chatter. Rattle, rattle, rattle. One thought led to ten thousand. No way to s.....l.....o.....w down. The more I tried, the less my beta mind cooperated.

Now, 9 months into my BrainEv Adventure, I have more and more alpha and less and less deficit of same. Thus the world of meditation becomes possible. And accessible. I am now taking baby steps and enjoying that. It is just such a treat to have you on the forum at this point in my evolutionary path, (also Ganesh of course with his whole culture and tradition of meditation and Eastern psychology/philosophy), and I am ready to absorb your experience, insight and wisdom.

Keep posting. Hugs from a calm, focused, alpha-content Pure Bliss

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Re: Experimentation

« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 09:03:03 AM »
Good Morning Pure Bliss!!

Meditation. It's funny, because for a practice that's been around for more than six thousand years, you would think it could be easily defined. But meditation is not easily defined. In fact, what exactly is meditation??

You could say that meditation is a practice to calm the mind. But for what purpose? There really is no easy answer, and despite the thousands of books available on the subject, and the many different kinds of meditative practice, you could be hard pressed to come up with a concrete explanation for exactly what meditation is and how to do it!

After years and years and years (damn, am I really that old) of traditional meditation, I have my own perspective. To me, meditation is an art, and the practice itself is different for everybody. And to me, meditation is a way to SEE your life. I use meditation now to feel myself in my life, in the events and experiences and relations I'm having, and how that seemingly "out there" reality is connected to my own inner state. But that's what meditation has BECOME for me.

In the beginning: When I first began to meditate as a daily on-going practice, oh...somewhere in the 1980's, I followed the strict traditional path of zen meditation. I would sit on a bare floor in zazen, breathe from the hara (about two inches below the navel), close my eyes and attempt to still my mind by ignoring every thought that came into my head. Talk about torturous, lol!

But it was!! And to me, the difficulty and discomfort was part of the process. I grew up with an alcoholic mother (the Joan Crawford type), and if I knew anything it was how to endure. So for no less than an hour a day, I would sit in that posture, and fight the war to still my mind. Meditation....no book I read ever described it as a process in Hell!

I employed techniques to still my mind: following the breathe, counting, mantra, and so on. After two years of daily practice, I could sit in zazen, and move my mind into a total blank state. No thought, or how they like to say, No Mind. And I was like okay....I'm sure at some point, the point of all this will become clear. Not really!! If there was a point, I must have missed it by not thinking. All that time fighting the "monkey mind", and it just slipped away. But did my life improve. I lived in hell, for that first year meditation was a hell, but wasn't it supposed to take me out of Hell? Well let's see... Calm and centered, I was. I could be in a burning building and keep my cool, no problem. Mother drunk and wielding a butcher knife (again), no problem. I could stay calm and centered and observe, "How interesting." But I began to wonder if that was really living? I mean, calm and centered, sure, but where was Happy? Where was Meaning? Where was Passion? No clue.

When I discovered audio entrainment in the later part of the 80's, I was like, "This is interesting." And instead of using it like traditional meditation, I decided to explore what was in my own head while listening to a tape. Well this opened up another dimension of Me. I had issues and demons and what not, and so many fears to explore, that were all still there, hiding behind that blank state of mind I had worked so hard to achieve, not to mention being so damn PROUD of that mental emptiness I could summon at will. So much for being empty, right!! I was filled to the brim with so much psychological bullshit, and I began to question who exactly was I.

That little phase into self-discovery is perhaps another long topic, but my point is this: I use meditation now, both traditional and entrainment, to examine and explore my own mindset, the terrain of my own psyche, and the direct casual relationship between my inner state, and reality "out there". My days of sitting in zazen are long gone. I sit on my sofa in the half lotus position. Yes, posture is important to help focus the mind, but a comfortable posture is even better. I don't live in a damn cave, and yes, I have furniture...might as well use it! And you are soooo right!! Audio entrainment would have been a HUGE benefit to help me slow down my mind in the beginning if I had used it!!

When we first learn to quiet the mind, the thing is, thoughts don't really increase. Those thoughts are already there, and the quieter the mind, the more they emerge into awareness, linked by a symbolic associative process, that gives the appearance of thinking thinking thinking. The mind is always thinking. It doesn't stop. What so many people learn to do in meditation, what I leaned to do, is to turn your attention away from that thinking. It's a trick, really, and not a beneficial one in my opinion. The thoughts are not the problem. The thoughts tell you what the problem is. And I spent years ignoring my own problems. So it's an interesting dichotomy that requires a unique balance, and that balance is as different and unique as each and every person.

I'm happy to share Pure Bliss, so any questions, please feel free to ask.     

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Re: Experimentation

« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2012, 07:17:47 AM »
Robert,

I really loved reading your post. It was amazing and is something I am going to have to reread a couple of times to make sure I get it all. Most important to me is the descriptions of your 'mistake.' I am not sure if that is the correct word, but the idea that you worked so hard to attain a goal, attained the goal, just to discover it was not the goal you needed. I can see that is something I will have to be careful of myself, to make sure I am working toward the correct goals.

Thank you so much for posting.

Dreamer

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Re: Experimentation

« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2012, 08:33:14 AM »
You are so welcome Dreamer. It was a long road to figure out what meditation meant to me on a personal level, but a road I'm grateful I traveled.

 


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